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Archive 5: February 24, 1999 - May 3 ,1999
Wed Feb 24 1:35:16 1999
Peter Bracic
peter.bracic@shaw.wave.ca
Please excuse any misspelled words on my previous excerpt- I am
half asleep. Goodbye everyone. ;)
Sat Feb 27 17:53:20 1999
beautiful freak
wholyother@aol.com
As a member of the Prometheus Society, I defy any woman to outwrestle
me. No bars held.
Mon Mar 1 0:39:07 1999
Scott Young
fermata2b2c2@hotmail.com
I don't know if truth is worth wading through your own
personal hell for, but I seem to have found depression
for the past 5 1/2 years and I wrote a little poem
depicting the images I see when recognizing socio-economic
boundaries, (in politics) racism as a form of liberalism,
and predestination for all those not able to call
themselves their own heralds. As petty as depression is,
the finer points of how to be the dictator of a nation
have never been clearer. I am still the jerk as was Plato;
now on with it:
As i dance in druken splendour
a broken glass did i render
And through the Arms of Hope i fell
into this godless Pit of Hell
Have i become a son or daughter;
in this abyss should i bother?
With rhyme and reason,it's simply treason.
when all are one, there is no season.
please email your thoughts to myself or that echo in the
corner whom has changed your mind about what it means to
breathe without the anxieties of over and under development
and whos message needed so little in mass to be of great
magnitude to yourself,but when he pulls the dipstick to
check the pace he can't tell whether everyone else is two
quarts low or he has worn his welcome in this land of self
perpetuating machines, so slow am I for I do not wake.
Also as a note to Peter a few messasges prior mine: I scored
the same on the European IQ test,but I think that might be
its limit. If that is so then @ 16 years I've climaxed
intellectually, or the test was far too easy. And a reminder
to all those programmers online: if you can't electronically
sign it how should you be verified?--scott
Thu Mar 4 4:32:11 1999
Enrico Fermi
enrico_fermi7@yahoo.com
Ik voor mij neem nu de ambitie op mij om lid te worden van The
Prometheus Society. Dit is geen uiting van "Wie niet waagt,
die niet wint", als wel een vooropstelling van een hoger
doel om iets schijnbaar onbereikbaars te realiseren. Ik beloof
nu al dat ik lidmaatschap van The Prometheus Society nooit onterecht
zal vernoemen in mijn omgeving.
Groetjes, Enrico Fermi VII
Sat Mar 27 19:02:59 1999
Melissa
malatham1@aol.com
I am 14 and have an IQ of 165-180(not sure). I hate school and
hate all my friends; isn't that redundant? My parents won't skip
me any grades...I go to public school hell. This high IQ is a
curse, I'm becoming depressed and neurotic.
Life sucks! Can anyone help???
---Melissa
Sun Mar 28 13:19:12 1999
Today's quote:
.
"The happiness and greatness, the rank and station,
the pleasure and peace, of an individual
have never consisted in his personal wealth,
but rather in his excellent character,
his high resolve, the breadth of his learning,
and his ability to solve difficult problems."--'Abdu'l Baha
.
see http://www.bahai.org/
Sat Apr 3 12:52:10 1999
W.L
somite@juno.com
Hello,
This is to Melissa and all the others who are about to go
crazy with school and living around idiots.
I'm sixteen and I used to go to one of the best high schools
in the US - that is, one of the best but certainly not for me.
Initially, I was sooooo happy to be there - there were all
these interesting classes you could take - AP everything,
medical ethics, genetics, vertebrate zoology, psychology,
and many others, but then I realized that I would have to
take the *required* classes first. That is when my interest
in school became practically nonexistent. In addition,
seeing the goodie-goodies cramming for tests only to forget
most of the information soon thereafter made me sick (hey,
at least they were the ones getting the 97.83 average) - it
was just so superficial. I studied on my own, but realized
that I would not have enough time to do all that I wanted
to do - that's when I started thinking about homeschooling,
but of course nothing was as easy as it seemed. It took me
a year to convince my parents that this would be the right
choice - they were afraid that I would not be able to get into
a good college without graduating from high school. But I
really don't care about that - now I am able to study that
which really interests me, and that does not mean that I
exclude most subjects in favor of a few specific ones - I
have broad interests. Homeschooling, or actually independent
study, is the best thing for the exceptionally gifted -
school will only break your spirit. I don't know what I would
have done if my parents had not allowed me to stay home -
my grades would certainly not go up, I wouldn't give a shit
about school no matter what happened. Don't let them drive you
crazy, they can do that but you have to figure something out.
Why won't they skip you a few grades? You have to realize
that that might not be the solution - it'll be the same BS
only a few classes higher up. Of course, taking more
advanced classes is always a good idea, but make sure it is
what *you* need it to be, don't die of boredom. Try talking to
your parents about homeschooling, call colleges and ask how
they look at homeschooled applicants - I called Harvard, they
said that they are looked at in the same way as traditional
applicants - is this absolutely true, I cannot say - but you
can't let this rule your life. You have to do things that will
let you develop intellectually, removing obstacles to this
is not easy, especially if they are your parents or school
administrators/teachers. But there has to be a way of
convincing them. Don't be depressed, life is interesting :-)
Sun Apr 4 22:47:01 1999
Lisa
redmustngi@aol.com
I browsed through the guestbook here. It is truly interesting
to read other people's experiences, the special problems, the
solutions....
I understand fully about the feelings of isolation. Though my
combined IQ is a mere 146 my linguistic abilities are off the
measurable scale (on the Stanford Binet, among other tests). I
learn foreign languages almost overnight. I had no idea I had
this ability until I was in high school and attended my first
language class. I was labeled 'prodigy' and 'genius' and was the
darling of all the language teachers. I felt acutely uncomfortable
around other students as I was constantly called on and made to
give answers, and shown off. I would by lying if I said I didn't
have a swollen head from all of it.
But I felt like a freak, a mutant if you will. I never studied,
I never did the homework. I didn't need to, and my teachers in
fact didn't expect me to turn any in. (Wish it had been that way
in all my classes, heh) I took a semester of French and on one
test in the class I scored 100%, while the next highest grade
was a D. Rationalizing this ability didn't help the feelings of
being the outsider...
Now, at the ripe old age of 23 I have been aware of it enough
time to become more comfortable with it. I recognize that my IQ
score is not high enough to admit of membership into this society;
however, I was wondering if anyone had heard of a society that
is designed for people like myself, people who have one area of...
let's call it by its proper name... genius. *shrug* Even if we
are perhaps not remarkable in any other way...
I am joining Mensa. This should be fun. :) Thanks for the ear!
-Lisa
Fri Apr 9 13:55:29 1999
winkler
winer@club-internet.fr
Hello
Honoured to meet you
Sat Apr 10 1:45:26 1999
anjez
anjez@nfmail.com
I was really, really happy I found E.E. Rehmus's
'I'm Over Here' at the 'www'..., finding myself
being "not the only one" with certain knowledge...and
it
really made me happy;
looked for him further and found some essay which just
called me back to me, myself, like years ago...familiar
knowledge so... to know, and from "that" I came to here...
IQ 164?
Don't trouble me with numbers PLEASE!
... I got the idea that computers were invented so we
can finally COMMUNICATE... and no more need for numbers...
Numbers never speak. At least I once really found a way
through playing logically upon word's meaning to find
the path in pure unorganized chaos...and created my own
language, since it appeared then no one speaking it only...,
and this language I use in my poetry.
My IQ is at least the alphabet... and a voice. My
first word I once needed to understand was 'life'. (I am
not a native speaker of English, nor American, Canadian or
Australian.) Your society seems so nice because it is so
artful. Your required number of intelligence just misses
the nine after the one... to make my year of birth...
Well, anyway, I know that knowledge on life and
so the meaning of words can solve unnecessary problems
permanently; these are about all problems of the "world".
Also...words are human's main language, and not numbers...
One word can solve all... But numbers... make a mess.
Because of numbers, there are so many words. Love anyway,
Anjèz*
Sat Apr 10 7:11:55 1999
anjez
anjez@nfmail.com
... This is funny: speaking about 'numbers'...: as a matter
of truthful mistake (and so to my surprise!)I am in the
guestbook three times...with one and the same message...
By the way: the correct title
of the work of E.E. Rehmus is 'I'm Over Here'. Anyway
love again, Anjèz.*
Tue Apr 13 21:20:59 1999
Dr. Zeius
poop
Thu Apr 15 9:36:19 1999
Ron Houghton
PAWBREADLY@AOL.COM
Sun Apr 18 23:16:41 1999
Peter Bracic
jbracic@cadvision.com
Hello all, it's me again. I won't write another novel this time
(at
least I'll try not to - please feel free to erase my comments
or
ban me from this comments list if you feel I am taking up too
much space). Anyway, don't you all feel that what is most
important about a genius is being physically exposed to him or
her? It is nice reading about 180IQ or 230+IQ people and
admiring their gifts, but to pass final judgment (or any
judgment at all for that matter) requires some contact with the
individual. When you feel the clairvoyance (I almost guessed
the spelling of that one last time) of the person emanating
before you, or that person feels it emanating from you, there
seems a truer realization and assurance that the person is the
real deal. Also, test-taking ability plays a vital role in many
of
today's standardized IQ tests, due in some part (due mostly,
in my opinion) to the need for ease of inter-correlation
between generalized schooling and the discerning of mental
ability. Too bad the establishment as a whole hasn't grasped
the need for freedom in which pseudo-intellectuals truly need
to thrive. All highly intelligent people should have a sanctuary
available to them within each major city. If there were such a
place, similar to a University campus, with parks, libraries,
etc. for everyone, why not let the 5 year olds, 24 year olds
and 51 year olds all interact as one; we all know they could
communicate on the same level anyway. (the five year old
would grasp concepts much faster than the elders, but, sadly,
the board of education can't see that far) Hell, what am I
thinking? THE UNIVERSITIES OF EACH MAJOR CITY
OWE IT TO THEIR INTELLECTUALLY GIFTED TO
OPEN UP AND HAVE A PLACE OF HIGHER
LEARNING WHICH SUITS THE INDIVIDUAL, AND
ALLOW THE INDIVIDUAL TO LEARN WHATEVER
THEY WANT, WHENEVER THEY WANT!!!!! Haven't
any people given that any thought? (of course you at the
Prometheus and other societies have, I'm just commenting on
the entire establishment again). JESUS!! Why not let us learn
what we please? For Christ's sake, I could have learned a
year's worth of physics in a day or two (a week or two at
most) had I been able to REALLY learn and experience
everything as it was to be experienced - perhaps with the aid
of a professor to keep me on track if I delve too deeply into
areas of less significance to the general foundation of the
subject at hand. Then, once the foundation of that subject is
laid, I could further specialize my interests in whichever
direction feasible from day to day, or choose to go all-out
philosophy one day and neurosurgery the next.
AAAAARRRRGGGGHH I hate the way the entire
establishment works!! All the worm-brained imbeciles
building up the walls, setting up unnecessary pathways for us
for us so we can't see what's past them until we pass that
stupid exam so we can open the door and enter the next
realm - of more crap we couldn't stand another minute of! If I
want to achieve a higher knowledge in something, allow me to
attack that goal on my own before you implement your "oh
you need schooling for that" bullshit on me, just like so
many
brilliant people before me were robbed of their right of
extremely fast fulfillment of hopes and dreams. I don't even
have to ask if anyone else out there feels the same way - it is
inevitable. Join me in the quest for our God-given right to
achieve whatever we want, whenever we want and however
we want. We have our predecessors and founders of the
voyage, (Ronald Hoeflin, among others I have not researched,
and therefore cannot name) and we must battle our way to the
top until our goal is reached. Forgive me, I have written yet
another mini-novel; I simply cannot help myself. I need the
company of other omni-intellects to brainstorm conjointly on
the subject of how we can make the path to true fulfillment the
shortest and smoothest possible for all, but especially for the
gifted. Thank you all for reading. Good health to all, and God
Bless. Au Revoir! (I shall return...) PS To anyone who cares
to discuss anything at all, please email me. I would love to talk
to you. I crave other people's views and thoughts. Doesn't
everyone?
Tue Apr 27 3:43:48 1999
John D. Martínez
juan.martinez@adi.uam.es
Tuesday 27th April 1999 (11.15 am)
Greetings to fellow Prometheans and to all other readers. I joined
the Prometheus Society a month ago and being new to the "intellectual
stratosphere", so to speak, within the community of high I.Q. societies,
I wanted to enter a few comments of my own.
Firstly, I am NOT deranged,maladjusted,neurotic,depressed and I
DO NOT HAVE any symptoms of pathological illness whatsoever!!! This
will most likely surprise some readers. I am a happy,healthy,balanced
and emotionally stable single male in my early thirties.
I hold a black belt in Karate-do (thus possessing extreme physical
fitness ), I teach English and Spanish, and I am working on my Ph.D
within the field of Developmental Psychology on a part time basis.
I hope these revelations will reassure some quite skeptical "hardliners"
that high physical and mental fitness can go hand-in-hand and my
particular case does NOT have to be the exception to the rule !!
There is simply too much stereotyping regarding gifted and highly-gifted
individuals and it is about time that society as a whole, and the
Prometheus
Society in particular, realized that so much moaning,groaning,whimpering
and self-pity WILL GET US NOWHERE VERY FAST INDEED, WHOEVER WE ARE
! The Prometheus Society is certainly unique in terms of its minimum
164 I.Q. entry criterion, but I agree that reaching this level of
"cognitive functioning" should definitely NOT LEAD TO any type of
"SELF-CONGRATULATING AND EGOBOOSTING GOAL" of this small society
in any way,shape or form. The previously mentioned I.Q. is merely
a PREREQUISITE in order to gain full membership in the society.
From that moment onwards
it is entirely up to individual members to make positive,profound,creative
and altruistic contributions to the rest of society at large IF
AND ONLY IF he or she deems this to be feesible, in terms of time
and financial resources available, as well as in terms of effort
and persistence.
YES, EVEN HIGHLY GIFTED HUMAN BEINGS WILL NEED TO TRY HARD AND MAKE
AN EFFORT TO DO THINGS !! However, it is NOT an obligation that
MUST BE FULFILLED BY ALL PROMETHEUS SOCIETY MEMBERS.
There is no oath involved and each society member is a "free agent".
I hope that what I am saying/typing is not considered to be "heretical",
as far as my new membership status is concerned. I am striving to
be honest with everyone. This message is definitely NOT intended
to make anyone
feel morose, manic-depressive,inferior or any other negative state
within the realm of human mental sickness and/or deviation. I think
I have said enough for now.
I wish you all the best in your daily lives. May you be happy and
reach "self-actualization"(if this state is indeed attainable, nirvana
? ) as far as life and circumstances allow.
Warm regards to everyone,
John D. Martínez
(New member of the Prometheus Society)
Thu Apr 29 0:58:38 1999
John D. Martínez
juan.martinez@adi.uam.es
Thursday 29th April 1999.
Dear everybody :
On Tuesday 27th April 1999 I made my first contribution to the
guest book. Unfortunately, I misspelt the word FEASIBLE and typed
"feesible" instead. I apologize to all readers. It just shows that
ALL of us are likely to make mistakes of some kind at some stage
and that being a member of the Prometheus Society, or any
other high I.Q. society, does NOT mean that we are not prone to
error. EVERY human being is prone to making mistakes and this is
one of the aspects of our humanity that constitutes variety, richness
and indeed the wonderful sensation/perception of feeling alive !
Regards to you all,
John D. Martínez
(New member of the Prometheus Society)
P.D. Hola Kira. ¿Cómo estás? Yo también soy miembro de Mensa España.
¡ Hasta pronto Kira ! (Message in Spanish to a fellow member of
Spanish Mensa)
Sat May 1 6:43:51 1999
trevis dallas
allsport.org
hi my name is trevis i love to study fire in school thats all i
do is
get on the net a go to your web site!!!!!!!!!!!!.
wright back trevis dallas
Sun May 2 22:09:44 1999
Rosalie
alyn40@aol.com
Of all the blessings, how fortunate to be born with keen intelligence.
Thank you for sharing this intriguing site. I am interested in getting
people to help prevent injuries and save lives by focusing on the
people in cars rather than on the cars' exteriors, and by the simple
act of leaving more space between speeding cars. Do not bring ego
along for the ride. Think about the value of turning to the right
to get to the left and how this can facilitate traffic flow. Thank
you very much.
Mon May 3 17:55:14 1999
Mike Schmitt (Vertigo)
vertigo_@goplay.com
Not being one to turn down a forum, I'd just like to express my
dissatisfaction with the education establishment.
I attend a private school, and our science program is nothing if
not weak. As a senior, the school year is over for me now, and my
physics class is only on chapter 11 out of 31. I read the entire
book in the first few weeks, hoping it would get better. It didn't.
I still hear complaints like "Did you ever tell us what ideal mechanical
advantage is?" Its ridiculous. I taught my teacher einstein gravity
-- her specialty in college was pathology. Our english class doesn't
cover grammar at all, yet I got a 670 on my SAT test. Who is to
say what I would have gotten with an actual grammar class?
I left public school because of violence, and came here hoping to
stay alive until college. So, I have absolutely no education, and
my GPA is only 3.0 because I can't stay awake! True irony showed
itself last week, however. We took down the class votes for most
popular etc, and when it came to "smartest" the nominations only
included the straight A primadonnas who can't tell you what a hole
in the ground looks like, let alone grasp four dimensional space.
Why are grades more important than intelligence plus actual knowledge?
(yes, you sucked up to the teachers very nicely. here are your scholarships
"What about Vertie -- he did get a 1470 on his SAT" "No, he isn't
even on the honor role")
So, my people, you have a choice. Get a good education and possibly
DIE or go to a private school and get no respect (not to mention
a -great- way to get cheated out of going to a good college). I
can honestly say I haven't learned a single thing inside school
walls since 9th grade.
I say down with the establishment. Down with the oppressors. If
they can't give their youth a decent education, why should they
be in power? Why is society dumbing itself down to give the weaker
minds a better education? Why do we care how they would feel about
being put in a spec. ed. class?
"Genius without education is like silver in the mine" Benjamin Franklin
Where was he when my district was choosing the school board administrators?
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